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"China Night" - Learning event

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"China Night"
Learning event

Date: 03 / 04 / 2008
Topic: "China night"
Type of meeting: Study meeting, research findings presentation, videos
No of participants: 10
Roles:
Creator of the Agenda - Marios Perdiou
Presenter – Marios Perdiou
Moderator – Marios Perdiou
Recorder/Author of the output – Daniel Uszucki
Articles - Maciej Janusz
Videos - Omiros Trofidis
Pictures, music - Nikos Iosifidis


We started our event from the slide show with photos about China at about 18.00. Watching it we were listening traditional Chinese music. When all guests arrived we started from presentation about AIESEC and project Horizon. After this briefly introduction to to the organization, project and current event we played our first movie. It was about the education in this country. The most amazing was, that it shown the difference between children and more generally people from the countryside and from more urbanized parts of China. Of course in the first case "picture" doesn't look good. Just the view for building of school, whose conditions were very bad, says that this is not the priority of the government. The most amazing is the last scene when all parents and teacher from the school are preparing kids for the trip to city. On one hand they know that it's only way to provide them better future, on the other one they are very worried about these and warn the children, saying that there everything is different. Scale of the differences between cities and countryside is stressed by the sentence about spending money. The teacher says that their pupils used to spend just few dollars a month when in cities it's few hundreds. After first movie we discussed for a while, sharing our views and opinions about the movie.

Next in the schedule was also movie, but this time about media in China, which shown how the Chinese government is manipulating the people. Generally both parts tried to show, that of course everything what happened in Lhasa was result of the Dalai Llama, who calls for the fight for independence. The material of the movie was very selective and some scenes where distinctly cut by the specialists, just to stress that all bad things are only because of Tibet and its people. For example we could see the monks attacking buildings and burning cars or attacking people just passing by. But the funniest was the moment when Chinese police, with weapons and shields started to flee from the monks. Certainly also the numbers which was the movie talking about were totally different than these, announced by the Western media or just witnesses of the event. Last very important thing was that government reaffirmed that situation is stable now (after just few days).


The material called out the discussion. We were commenting the movie and also talking about other evidences of partiality of the Chinese media. One of us, new member from Poland, Daniel, said, that there is also a website - www.anti-cnn.com , where you can find “all lays of the western countries media”. Then also rest of the people told about some other examples of changing reality by the government. In this phase we tried also to show the reasons of this and we retraced to the roots of the conflict.


Next stage was “China Says Dalai Lama Rejects Dialogue”, an article from the New York Times. It raises the issue of Dalai Lama, who was the person responsible for Tibet and China. Government said that the leader of Tibet and his “clique” are responsible for all, what happened in March and for ending talks between and attempts of understanding. Generally the article was very similar to the movies, we have seen and shew again the propaganda machine of communistic government.


At the end we ate the fortune-cookies and watch the last, documentary movie, which was about two big explorers of Asia and the area between India and China and their influence for history.


Some general conclusions from the meeting:
· differences between cities and countryside are huge
· they are sill getting bigger together with the rise of GDP (about 10%)
· people have to immigrate to more urbanized areas if they want to improve their life
· children have to travel to cities in order to get good education and keep the chance for better future
· government totally doesn't care about the environment, important is only the economy
· media are only the tool in the government's hands
· because of that fact there are always two pictures of all events – unfortunately most people in China know only the governmental one
· last events in Lhasa shew, how big is the frustration of people there
· the reasons of it are very complex and to understand them you have to know the past (“liberation” of the Tibet in 1951)
· no respect for the autonomy of this country, Tibetan people – discriminated minority
· because of communistic ideology fighting with Tibetan religion, tradition for many years (destroying monasteries, temples, killing people, tortures)
· no respect for human rights

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2nd Learning Circle's Outputs

Date: 15 / 2 / 2008

Topic: "China: An Opportunity or a Threat?"

Type of meeting: Study meeting, research findings presentation

No of participants: 9

Roles:

Creator of the Agenda - Elpida Theodosiadou

Presenter – Klio Douka

Moderator – Nikos Moustakas

Recorder – Marios Perdiou

Agenda: click here

Articles found by Elpida Theodosiadou


Notes taken, by the given articles:

- 8 barels of oil per person , that’s why there is a huge amount of oil import

- Request for luxury goods is rising

- China is the first country in the world in air pollution
- But the average income per capita is 200 euros/ month
- Average income is 2.000 US dollars

- China is considered as a communistic country, but adopts capitalistic practices

- China and India together form the 40% of the glopal youth population.

- 1 billion of workers have been added to the global market. This is a threat for some part of the “western world”.

- 2000 china has been accepted to the world trade organization (WTO)

- The European Union tries to block the unlimited import of chinese products, especially clothing products.

- Greece is doing business with china mainly in the marine and tourism sectors.

- Before their accession in the WTO, there was no problem with the cheap chinese products.
- On the other hand EU countries’ economies somehow needed this kind of products.
- Talking about Greece, it’s also the greek mentality that merchants are nagging about the new situation that has been rised.

- The sales of branded goods in china are rising, the same happens with the luxurious lifestyle.

- When chinese students are immigrating into European countries they try to adopt the local lifestyle of dressing and also of manners.

- Western world is the main exporter of luxury goods in China.

Presentation Of Mihali’s research findings in the local “chinatown”, in Thessaloniki.
Statistical research on the stores, owned by chinese.

- Aisopou str. Many of the responders speak better Italian than English


- Only the 20% of the questioned persons responded

- There are only 58 registered stores from a total of 200.
- The responders where 80% employees.
- During their first 4 years here, they knew that they live in “Macedonia”. (Confused it with Greece or Skopje).
- The most of the employees were greeks or Albanians
- During the last 8 years the number of the stores has been rised.
- Most of the products are shipping to Thessaloniki, through Italy.
- Customers profile: biggest part are greeks, the rest are foreigners, mainly from Skopje.
- Customers say that they prefer these kind of stores firstly because of the low prices and secondly because of the quality.
- There are some rumors that when a chinese factory makes an agreenment with a western company to produce a good quality branded product, then they have the know-how and they extend the production to double for example. Then they have noname quality products which they can sell to whoever they want.
- Most of the stores sell shoes
- There are greek stores which operate in the same area, without selling chinese products at all.
- The greek store owners are not protesting as much as it is being said, for the dominance of chinese products.
- The responders’ age was between 25-49. and the average income of the customers was between 5.000-10.000 euros.
- The customers who buy from Chinatown, are not frequent buyers there.
- When it comes for an accusation or complaints in general, the Greek Center of Customer Protection doesn’t take into consideration the product’s country of origin.


-----end of the Presentation. We continued the discussion -----

  • Expensive Chinese restaurants in Thessaloniki
  • The Chinese stores is like having discounts “all around the year”, not only in certain periods, like the greek ones do.
  • Chinese people were not interested for the brands, but now they do.
  • It seems natural to the Chinese to buy products made in their country, but lately they prefer buying the branded ones.
  • The larger is the greek company, the easier is to invest in the Chinese market

General Conclussions

  • The rising Chinese economy is a positive fact, thinking globally. New chances for venture capitalists and entrepreneurs, cheaper workforce.
  • There is no antagonism between China and Greece. Adaption . we can win or lose.
  • USA depends on china. China "pays the debt" of the western world .
  • China does not take a position on several matters which are rising because of the country's fast development. Doesn’t care for the moment.
  • Sustainable development
  • In Greece, it seems that we don’t have well established sea ports, as a large part of the shipments from china, are being delivered first to Italy(adjacent country to Greece). And we import them from there.
Personal Conclussions:

Anna

Consumers: have gain from the cheap products.

On the other hand there is a threat, when it comes to the shortage of the final product specifications.

Greek companies: find china as a threat or an opportunity, depended on which sector they belong.

Greek economy: doesn’t produces the same kind of products as china does, so we are not competitors at the moment.

China=massive production <-> Greece = smaller quantities

Employees: China=labor <-> Greece = knowledge workers

Giorgos ec

Opportunity for the consumers, threat for the companies that produces the same products

Giorgos eu

Threat for the Greek employees and for Greek economic development. We shouldn’t think of our country only when we are buying goods.

Klio

Opportunity for the consumers. For companies: there are more chances other than cheap clothes.

Marios

Adaption to the new realities is the key.

Mihalis

It depends on us. China one way or another will develop, no matter what we do

Nikos I.

It’s a cheap solution. The Chinese people in Thessaloniki, could have brought more products other than clothes, for example good quality electronics. reverse engineering

Greek employees could work in Chinese companies